CQB Gun?

[Viking8]

Hi everybody, Im currently in the market for another AEG. I have A UTG MP5 AEG and a Classic Army M15a4 Spc. Since the M15A4 has a fixed stock its not really a cqb gun. The UTG MP5 doesn't quite cut it while competing against high end aegs. I would like something i can play a CQB match with. I would like the gun to be on the smaller side and have a high level of manuvuerabilty. Im looking for a gun that shoots no less than 300fps stock. As for price range ill be looking for a gun in the $300 range without any accessories. I'm pretty much set on an MP5 just don't really know which one. I am open to suggestions and i would really appreciate the help. Thanks guys!

P.S. Is the AE V3.5 MP5A4 any good??
If anybody has it, has it proven to be reliable?

[itsahak]

www.strategicairsoft.com

has a few MP5's he's looking to get rid of. He's trying to clear out his stock.

[crafty_0ne]

I have an ICS MP5(Fixed Stock) that I use for all my CQB playing needs. Its worked well so far, but it has had a few internal problems. Nothing too major, but when I go to replace it with a new MP5, I'm not sure that I'd stick with ICS. I'd recomend Classic Army as I rarely hear anything bad about a CA gun.

On a side Note, If youre planning on getting a retractable stock MP5, I'm told by Steve(owner of ACQB) that the Classic Army retractable stock is very loose and breaks easily. Apparently, ICS makes the best retracting stock for an MP5 so If you get a CA or a TM, order an ICS stock and switch it onto the gun.

[Viking8]

Great thanks for the info, wasn't interested in the A5 stock anyway, thats a little too small. Plus the fixed stock has a nice size, ability to hold a large batt, and stabalizes. Thanks again!

[bishop]

try the CAG36C...it's got everything you mentioned right out of the box

[Viking8]

Thanks Bishop, I was thinking about G36C and i'll definatly keep that in mind, but i'm mostly set on an MP5, just don't know which one. Some people are saying that the AE Ver 3.5 MP5 is way better than the CA B&G MP5.AE Mp5's definatly have better stock stats, and i don't really plan on upgrading it anytime soon, but does the AE Mp5 have reliabilitly problems? I heard that the version 1 and 2's did, but people are saying the V3.5 doesn't

[Rhys]

Okay, after doing some research and some browsing other forums I found that the AE MP5s are ICS MP5s. The 3.0 is a stock ICS gun shooting 320s while the 3.5 is Airsoft Elite's upgraded MP5 and shoots around 350. Now in my experiences at CQB the ICS mp5, with the expection of crafty's, have some poor reliablity issues. I honestly do not recommend them. And in the words of Tim, 'ICS guns prefer to remain stock'. Now that does not mean we don't upgrade them but they tend to get unhappy shall we say and break.

I am with bishop on this, CA36C. Think of it as a MP5 on crack, but in a good way. But if you really are set on the MP5 get a CA B&T MP5 A2. It has the fixed stock, and includes a light in the handguard so you can see where your BBs are going.

[Viking8]

Ok, Great thanks, I'm definatly going with CA, but heres the thing. I am really set on MP5's but does it matter which one i go with, or will they all perform the same internally? Is it just about looks from here on out?

[Jaberwaki]

P90 = CQB love ;)

You will have a VERY hard time finding a gun that moves around corners, tucks close, feel comfortable in either hand, and lays down large ammounts of ammo better then the P90...

[Viking8]

As i said before im really set on an Mp5. Although the P90 is probably a great CQB gun, it doesn't have a very fast stock fps. As you may know, im pretty much clueless on upgrades. So a stock Classic Army Mp5 is pretty much what i am looking at, but internally are all the CA B&T MP5's the same?

[Jaberwaki]

Our CQB field has a 300FPS limit... so any more then that is a waist for us...

[Viking8]

i know but the field i play at has a fps limit of 400fps with .25g

[itsahak]

yes, internally the MP5's from CA will be fairly equal across the board. You should have fun times with a newer one.

[Viking8]

whoa ok great thanks im completely set now. I've chosen a Classic Army MP5 SD5

[Jaberwaki]

i know but the field i play at has a fps limit of 400fps with .25g


At CQB ranges!!!!!:eek:

Ouch!!!

[itsahak]

I have to agree with Jab on that! I've taken a burst up the hand and arm at 400 fps from about 5 or 10 feet away. Not an experience i want to repeat! We have used 350 fps before, but i think its gonna be lowered to 330. Basically our limit is bone stock. Especially with companies like CA and ICS putting out weapons with a level 1 upgrade, and not all of us are lucky enough to have Tim and Steve readily available. But 400? thats seriously hot bro. I'd recommend full face masks for every being mandatory.

[Viking8]

nooooo not at CQB ranges, its an outdoor woodland field. The limit is 400 with a .25 and like 450 or 500 with a .25 for bolt actions.

[dice]

sorry i know your set on the mp5 but the ca g36c is a beast! but definatly go with classic army:D

[Viking8]

Well ok, definatly going with CA, but what benefits does that G36C have that the MP5 doesn't?

[dice]

not shure never used an mp5 but the g36c is extreamly solid and about 317 fps correct me if im wrong guys, but go for the mp5 if you like it so much ive heard its a great gun:D

[Viking8]

Ok thanks!

[itsahak]

having used them both, I can tell you the 36 has a more solid stock. The solid stock of the SD/A4 series is nice, but it does develop creaks. And the A5 type sliding stock will loosen, even on the real steel models. The 36 also comes with rails on the side and bottom as well as the full length rail on the top. The MP5 has to have a RIS system to replace the front handguard. that means even more money. But the A5 type MP5 has a smaller profile, and manuevers a little easier (not as easy as a P-90 Jab, I agree). I think the 36 series, being the newer of the two may have a slightly faster fps. Check out the front page of www.strategicairsoft.com. he took several models into the yard and tested them on the chrono. He used .2's and shot 10 shots, averaging the speeds at the end. Its probably the most accurate fps rating i've seen so far.

[Viking8]

Great info. Still deciding now, but even though the G36 has a more stable stock and RIS rails, I still can't get over the B&G MP5 series. Im really set on the MP5, but i will take what you said into consideration when buying. But even so, the G36 cannot hold a large batt while the MP5's w/ A4 stocks, can...Right?

[dice]

thats right you can get a 1400 mah in the g36c (thanks rhys)and ya you can get a bigger battery for the mp5s:)

[bishop]

benefits of the 36C :

nice hi-cap mag (470 rounds)

solid folding stock

already upgraded

can change into a field rifle as well (the regular 36 or 36K) if you have some extra bucks (cheaper than buying two different AEGs)

You can buy a larger handguard which will allow a bigger battery...or do like I'm gonna try (thanks to Jab's earlier tests), and put a Li-Poly in it instead :D

Oh yeah...look cool too....everyone has a MP5 or M4 variant...the 36c is cool and different! :cool:

[bishop]

also, the mags come with built in clips so you can put two/three mags together, without having to buy extra clamps...and since they are all right there in one spot, no wasted time switching mags from your vest to the gun and back...nothing like 1200+ rounds right there! :D

[Rob]

benefits of the 36C :

nice hi-cap mag (470 rounds)

solid folding stock

already upgraded

can change into a field rifle as well (the regular 36 or 36K) if you have some extra bucks (cheaper than buying two different AEGs)

You can buy a larger handguard which will allow a bigger battery...or do like I'm gonna try (thanks to Jab's earlier tests), and put a Li-Poly in it instead :D

Oh yeah...look cool too....everyone has a MP5 or M4 variant...the 36c is cool and different! :cool:

I'll add in...
And it's real steel version is probally right now the best weapon on the market!

[Rhys]

I'll add in...
And it's real steel version is probally right now the best weapon on the market!

I want one, a real steel that is, but its a post 86..... Oh well. Security here I come!:D

[itsahak]

I'll add in...
And it's real steel version is probally right now the best weapon on the market!

for shame to you sir!! Obviously you know nothing of the Lorcin .380! Available at any fine gun store for a whopping $150 (if they've over priced it!) and any corner dealer for $25!

Seriously though, he's right.

[bishop]

I want one, a real steel that is, but its a post 86..... Oh well. Security here I come!:D


form a corporation (a couple hundred bucks), apply for a Class 2/3 dealers license with a law enforcement endorsement (basically allowing you to sell to law enforcement agnecies), and you can get a hold of the G36 series of firearms...but you do have to actively try to sell SOME to LE agencies...can't have it just for personal use.

[Rob]

Shooting the real steel g36? No problem

If you are leo or military come to the range at Trexpo this August with us. plenty of new guns. (Who is going by the way?)

I'll tell you something funny about class 3. The first time people who have never shot a full suto do it they get the most massive grin you have ever seen. Heck, I still get that grin when I get to do shoot (non combat... well I might grin in combat sometimes too)

When we still had dealing with SOF before they changed us to 'contractors' they had a great gun shoot every year. Anything you can think of.

[Rob]

OK, you want the ultimate real steel CQC/CQB gun...

get a Hand Cannon one made in the 15th centry :D

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/meisterdru/hand_cannon_001.jpg

Yeah, that is real.

The gun was 66" long with a 19" barrel and a weight of 50 lbs!

So far for cqb I think the g36c is the best BUT I don't own an airsoft one. Although I've tried it out. I plan to get a ca g36c with large foregrip, 10v battery and attitude afrter I get back to work off sick leave.

[Viking8]

Ok, for now the G36C and the MP5's are pretty much at a tie. I really like the looks of MP5's and the G36C is also nice, but the MP5 is a small gun. Yeah the G36C is compact also, but isn't it a little "beefy"?

Thanks

[Rob]

I think (means I'm not 100%)
g36c is 21" closed - 29" open
mp5 a5 - 20" closed and 26" open
mp5 a4 - 27"

yes, There is a weight difference and the g36c is heavier (about 6lbs?)
The CA version has a 7mm metal bushing gear box as well (not sure about their mp5's)

[Viking8]

Ok, i think im gonna go with the MP5, because i love the feel, it's compact, it can hold a large battery, even though it doesn't have a place for RIS rails, and the G36C does, i prefer the iron sights on the MP5 over a red dot. But what should i get, the MP5 SD5 or the MP5A4 with the tac lighted foregrip?

[DAN]

i always thought the tac lighted foregrip looked cool... never was a big fan of the silenced version...

just my 2 cents...

[itsahak]

While i like and owned the silenced version (SD5), I would probably go with the A4 instead. You get the shorter barrel with the solidness of a stock. I prefer a stock to a stockless weapon in most situations as it gives you a solid platform to fire from. And I have yet to see an airsoft replica A5 type that doesn't have issues with the stock wobbling.

[damiensabin]

Has anyone seen/tried this weapon out? I like the look and idea behind the real steel version and if I had the opportunity to play CQB style games I would really look into this one. The spec sheets and the couple reviews I have found on it make it sound great. Anyone know for sure?


DamienSabin

"Plans are great, it's the enemy that is the problem!"

[itsahak]

Reviews almost always make something sound great. It is an okay weapon. Its rate of fire is slow. Basically its a large AEP. Future generations will perform much better I'm sure.

[Viking8]

A4 Taclight foregrip it is! Thanks, I appreciate the help.